HANSARD
07-16
DEBATES AND PROCEEDINGS
Second Session
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2007
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ENVIRON. & LBR. - BOULARDERIE ISLAND/POINT ACONI:
STRIP MINING - DECISION RECONSIDER
MR. GORDON GOSSE: Mr. Speaker, it is a
pleasure that I rise tonight, or maybe it is not a pleasure that I rise
tonight, on this late debate topic on strip mining in Point Aconi
and Boularderie Island. I think they call it cleaning up the past mining and
I think there has been a little bit of quickness on this government to go ahead
and move forward with this project, just days before this land was turned over
from Devco to the province, days before. Why this was
done days before it turned over, it meant that the federal government's
responsibility for the cleanup of the former Devco
lands would not have to take place, because jurisdiction for onshore coal and
onshore mineral rights belong to the Province of Nova Scotia.
So right now, the responsibility - the money
was there from the feds, I think at one time it was $6.6 million but, Mr.
Speaker, they move ahead with the project anyway. There has been no
accountability to the people of Point Aconi and there
has been no accountability to the people; 72 per cent of the residents in the Cape Breton Regional Municipality
voted against strip mining in Cape Breton.
AN HON. MEMBER: 72 per cent?
MR. GOSSE: 72 per cent; 100 per cent of the
residents in the communities that are most affected by strip mining, voted
against this proposal, Mr. Speaker. Let's just say, is there anybody on that
side of the House who is listening to these people?
AN HON. MEMBER: I don't think so.
MR. GOSSE: None. They listen to these people,
Mr. Speaker. Digby, the Digby
quarry, gone; LaFarge burning tires, gone, but the
people in this area of Cape Breton Island have been done disservice by this department and this
is a wrongdoing.
Let's talk about this, Mr. Speaker. I will
give you an example of years gone by. The member for Cape
Breton Centre, the honourable member, Dr. Mike Laffin. Dr. Mike Laffin was a member in
this Legislature, a member of that government. He is quoted, in his day, in
this Legislature that he would resign from politics if they strip mined in his
riding. Did they strip mine in Dr. Mike Laffin's
riding? No, because he told his own Party he would resign.
I will give you another example of the MLA
for Cape Breton West by the name of Big Donnie MacLeod who was a member of the
Progressive Conservative Party. He said, if they were going to strip mine in
his riding, he would resign, Mr. Speaker. He would not be a part of that. And
did they strip mine in those ridings? No. They were men of fortitude. They were
men who had the guts to stand up and represent the people who they represent in
their riding. They stood up in their riding and said (Applause).
Now, Mr. Speaker,
we, in this Legislature today - if you were to go to the Web site of citizens
against Strip Mining, on their Web site it will say the MLAs
that are for strip mining and the MLAs that are
against it. The MLA for Cape Breton West is against strip mining. The gentleman
that sits in that chair should sit down one of these days and take his place in
this Legislature and tell them, because he's against strip mining. Why are they
still doing strip mining in that area?
This is the government - and I'll quote in
the Speech from the Throne. The most passionate minister in Canada is for
the Department of the Environment and Labour. Why is
he doing this to these people in Cape Breton? Why? Explain to me why. Is it possible that - and we
will go back to elections - the big corporations donate
money to political Parties in the Province of Nova Scotia. Pioneer Coal, Mr. Speaker - Pioneer Coal donated
$7,500 to the leadership of that Party, that's a fact. They also donated $2,500
to the fellow that lost the leadership. That's a fact. I'd like to see the
minister stand in his place and deny those facts. They are facts. They are
facts of this government.
These were mines that were owned by the
federal government. If the people of Cape Breton don't understand - a week beforehand, when the
federal government had the opportunity and had the money to clean up that land,
they turned it over to the province. What did the province do? They ignored the
citizens. They ignored the citizens of Boularderie Island. They ignored them.
Could you imagine the beautiful picture now
from the Bras d'Or Look off of that giant hole in -
I'm ashamed to go home that way, I drive home on Route No. 4 so I don't have to
look at that hole coming down that mountain. It's a
shame. It wouldn't have cost the taxpayers of this province a nickel, because
it was a federal problem. Now, the tax - you know what, Mr. Speaker, I'll tell
you, the people of this province are getting a very big royalty from this coal
- $1.00 a tonne. You can imagine the employment,
$1.00 a tonne.
Can you imagine the environmental damage?
Let's see the minister speak about the damage the blasting will cause over
there and the people's homes. Let's see him speak to the run-off and the water
going into the ocean, killing our fisheries, bald eagles, the beautiful owls, birdwatching, it's gorgeous over there. Speak about the
damage to the environment. Speak about those things.
This is the second time in 25 years that the
people of Boularderie Island and Point Aconi have gone
through this. Remediation? Go down to Cape Breton - it
looks like a moonscape, that's what it looks like down there. It looks like a
moonscape. Get your telescope and have a look at the moon, that's what it looks
like. After 12 years of remediation in Reserve Mines, it looks like a
moonscape. Is this the kind of thing that we want in our province? Is this the
kind of thing that we want?
Mr. Speaker, who's
getting wealthy on this? Who's getting wealthy? Is it creating massive
employment to replace the jobs lost in the steel plant and the coal mines?
SOME HON. MEMBERS: No, no.
MR. GOSSE: Mr. Speaker, what is it doing? One
dollar a tonne and the beautiful island of Cape Breton gets destroyed. Destroyed!
Was this a misconceived approach to what
we're told in Cape Breton? Is this what we're told on our island? Here's this
beautiful island - yet the people of Digby, the Digby quarry, they won their battle. The people of Brookfield won
their battle. This minister cow towed to those people. He gave in to those
people and rightfully so. He rightfully so gave into them.
What is he doing in Cape Breton? Destroying our beautiful island, destroying our island.
(Applause) The beautiful Cape Breton Island - $1.00 a tonne. How can
that minister stand up in his place and say $1.00 a tonne.
When they had 72 per cent of the people in Cape
Breton Island, in the municipal studies,
saying they do not want strip mining. They do not want it.
What's going on there today? I challenge
anybody in this House to drive over Kelly's Mountain and look at that hole
that's there and the damage it's doing to our environment. It's a shame for
this government. (Interruptions)
Mr. Speaker, why is this happening to us on Cape Breton Island?
Could somebody please explain this to me? Maybe the minister will stand in his
place and tell me why that beautiful island - the run off from that, the acid
drainage, the scalings and everything else. Do you
realize that Devco was ear-marked to clean this up?
Bootleg mines - it was earmarked to clean this up, and what we're left with
there is devastation, twice as bad as it was. Take a drive to Reserve and have
a look at that moonscape. There's nothing that grows there. They hydro-seed it
and it gets green for the summer and then it looks like a moonscape, like
somebody blew it up in the winter and in the Fall.
Mr. Speaker, I went to every community
meeting, I went to every rally, and I went to everything that they had going on
when I was home in Cape Breton, and I support those people. I don't think that I
would want to live in that riding - and there's nobody else, it became the
silent cause.
There are good people there, Donna Stubbert, God bless her, Russell MacDonald, and all these
people over there working so hard. So I say to the members on the government
side, why have you done this to the beautiful Cape Breton Island? Maybe the
minister can stand up in
his place tonight and tell me that for $1 a ton we'll destroy that beautiful
island, for $1 a ton royalties.
I would table e-mails from the Premier, but
I'm not like that, Mr. Speaker, I know what he said. He's going to have the
people of the Department of Environment and Labour
meet with them. The hole is already in there. After two and a half years, the
Department of Environment and Labour is going to meet
with them? The CLC, maybe the minister can stand up in his place and
tell us who is in the private group, the CLC, the Community Liaison Committee. Maybe stand up in
your place and tell the people of Nova
Scotia who is on that committee.
They have their heads in the sand, it's a
secret. The government of openness and accountability.
Can you imagine? Stand up in your place tonight and tell the people of Nova Scotia
who is on that committee and tell the people of Nova Scotia why you are
destroying beautiful Cape Breton Island. (Applause)
MR. SPEAKER: The honourable
Minister of Environment and Labour.
HON.
MARK PARENT: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the opportunity to
speak to this issue and for the opportunity to put on the record a few comments
which I think are important. I want to begin with the fact that most of the Boularderie Island residents who protested are extremely polite, they
have worked very hard, they are concerned about this
activity in their community. I have met with them on several occasions, I have
gone up to visit the site and I want to commend them.
There are a few of the people who I cannot
say that of, and I have been extremely disappointed with threats that have been
made against me personally, to shoot me. I have been extremely disappointed by
comments that have been made, calling my EA a bitch, Mr. Speaker, and e-mails
to that effect. So this is some of the behaviour of a
very small group, but part of the residents who have complained. I can table
those e-mails if you want, Mr. Speaker. I want to put on the record my concern
with that type of activity. Most of them have been very thoughtful, passionate,
which I applaud them for, and thoughtful about their complaints.
I will listen, Mr. Speaker, I will listen
always to people who are passionate, who care, who have a different opinion
than I may have or the government may have, but those sorts of protests that I
mentioned before simply demean the whole process, and I'd like to put that on
the record. More importantly, this motion puzzles me because the motion reads
like this: that the minister reconsider his decision
about the Boularderie Island/Port Aconi
area.
Mr. Speaker, there has been enormous
confusion, and the member opposite must be confused as well. I've tried to
explain it time and time again, so I have the opportunity to explain it once
more. Even the member to my left, who has hounded me with concerns about this, the member for Victoria-The Lakes, and has been a
pain in a certain part of my anatomy which I shall not mention, even he seems
to be somewhat confused about this even though I have explained this time and
time again to him - I approved the industrial approval.
Mr. Speaker, industrial approval is a process
that deals with the method of what they're going to do, not with the fact that
they're going to do it. The environmental approval was given in 2005. I
approved that they do it in a safe manner. So do you want me to undo my
approval of doing it in a safe manner? Do you want them to do it in an unsafe
manner?
That was the approval I gave, Mr. Speaker.
That was the approval the Minister of Environment and Labour
had before him - on how to do it in a safe manner. I asked them to look at
water. I asked them to look at reclamation and I made sure that they had the
very safest methods for doing what was approved back in 2005. So does the honourable member want me to undo that? Does the honourable member want me to give an industrial approval in
an unsafe manner? Is that what this motion is asking for?
AN. HON. MEMBER: We don't want it at all.
MR. PARENT: You don't want it at all. Yes,
they don't want it at all, but the motion speaks to a decision I made on
industrial approval, and the industrial approval, honourable
members, is how to do it in a safe manner. The decision to do it was done in
2005. The decision that I made, that this motion refers to, was how to do it in
a safe manner. I went through every part of that and made sure, along with my staff, that the conditions that were put on the mining
operator there, were to be done in the safest manner. Is that what the member
opposite wants me to undo? Does he want me to take away the conditions that I
put to protect water? Does he want me to take away the conditions I have put to
control noise? Does he want me to take away the conditions that I put on
reclamation? If that's what the honourable member
wants, stand in his seat and tell me which condition that I put on them, he
wants me to take away.
I challenge any member opposite, stand in
your seat, tell me which of the conditions put on the industrial approval that
I put on as minister, which one do you want taken away? The
safety ones, the noise ones, the water ones, the ones on the environment, which
of those conditions? Have you read the conditions, honourable
members? Probably the member opposite has read them at least. Which of those
conditions, honourable member, do you want taken
away, because that's what the motion is about. It's saying that I could
reconsider those safety decisions. So which ones? Environmental decisions,
which ones should I take away?
Mr. Speaker, I'll talk about some of them if
you want a little further in the industrial approval because my staff have been onsite twice a week monitoring this project.
We receive numerous complaints and we respond to every single one of them. So
let me tell you some of the things that we've had complaints about that we've
looked at. We've looked at noise coming at night. So we spoke to the proponents
about the noise coming at night and they committed to minimizing
working in the vicinity of homes during evening hours. That was one of the
things.
Mr. Speaker, we looked at site boundaries.
That was one of the conditions we put upon the proponent, that there be proper
site boundaries and we had complaints about that. We checked back and found
that they weren't working outside their approve site boundaries. We put
conditions on about water collection systems and we've been onsite monitoring
the water collection systems. We put conditions on about technical staff review
data and monitoring measurements to ensure compliance in blasting noise and
ground vibrations. Is that what the honourable member
wants me to take away, the condition about ground vibrations, and say, oh, you
don't need any conditions on there about ground vibrations.
I mean this motion is very, very confusing,
Mr. Speaker. He wants me to take away all the safety conditions that were put
on in the industrial approval and that's perhaps where
this motion is confused, because the approval that I gave was on the industrial
approval. We put conditions on water, on the groundwater, on reclamation, on
noise, on site boundaries. Those are all good conditions and yet the honourable member wants me to take them away. It confuses
me. He, obviously, doesn't care about protecting the environment.
MR. SPEAKER: The honourable
member for Kings West.
MR. LEO GLAVINE: Mr. Speaker, I'm pleased to
rise in my place to speak for a few minutes on this issue, which has been a
longstanding issue for the residents of Boularderie Island as well as the surrounding area of Cape Breton. I have
been to Boularderie on two occasions to meet with
residents there. I attended a meeting that was organized by the member for Cape
Breton North to explore all of the possibilities around this issue. You know,
certainly my heart goes out to the people, to the citizens against strip
mining, people as were mentioned by the member opposite, people like Donna Stubbard, who invested tremendously of their time, to
background and to understand the issue and try to look at all sides and stop
and see if there were truly any enormous benefits that could be derived from
this project.
There were two or three accounts at the
meeting in Cape Breton North at Memorial High School, I believe, if I remember correctly, of people who
came to the island - one I remember as a tourist and two others as business
people, to do business on the island - to hear their accounts of falling in
love with Boularderie Island. The reality was that they discovered one of these
special places and my own view of having gone around the island on two occasions, I was struck, perhaps more than anything, by the
agricultural land, the amount of agriculture on Boularderie Island. Residing in one of the prime agricultural areas of Nova Scotia, I
was surprised to see, in fact, that there were these extensive farming areas on
Boularderie Island.
You know, while
the island has a history of mining, and in particular a great deal of bootleg
mines, I think a golden opportunity was missed, with the federal dollars, to
clean up the entrances and the sites of the bootleg mines and not use this as a
rationalization to go ahead with the strip mining project. So it was
unfortunate, along the way, that was put aside.
You know, we are reaching a point, not only
here in Nova Scotia, but throughout the western world, where the people's
input, the people's view of whether strip mining or large quarry operations
will go forward, is being given very strong consideration. In this case here,
the people's view didn't seem to get that kind of an account. They seemed to
have been left out of the environmental review process. In other words, they didn't
have a panel review, such as they had with Whites Point Quarry on Digby Neck. In my view, it was the people who turned the
tide, the leaders of the local community who talked about what, for some, has
been a subject of criticism, and that is the core values of the community. I
think all of us in this House need to be very careful if we're going to push
aside core values and work for manners in which development does take place.
So I think we can learn a lot from Whites
Point Quarry and the process that went on there and for people rising up in a
very informed way. They engaged in a long-term planning process to reverse what
was looking like a government decision to do this.
I still think the environmental review was
really not sufficient. Yes, it addressed the hydrology, it addressed some of
the runoff issues, but when I read the review, in my view, I saw that note of
uncertainty. There was some uncertainty around what would happen with a
full-scale, strip mining operation. I hope that there will be a review. I hope
that this is not a completely dead issue, that the residents and the political
representatives will reach a point where they will say, Mr. Minister,
this is something we need to take a second look at. I'm hoping that process
will come forward.
If something goes terribly wrong here, if we
have an impact on the water and the hydrology of this area - and I speak about
that in particular because just recently I read of a novel demonstration
agricultural irrigation project of Boularderie Island
- I see the member for Victoria-The Lakes nodding his head on this.
So, on the one hand, we have a very
progressive activity going on and then on the other we have strip mining, which
the people were against, possibly could work counter to the agriculture. We have
to realize that agriculture and tourism, these are sustainable projects - the
history of strip mining in Cape Breton is a scarring and a blight
on the landscape that is only in its infancy to be reclaimed properly, and to
restore what more and more citizens are expecting.
The other aspect
here that comes to mind is that we have to take a look at burning coal in this
province. We are at a critical time now. All leading experts, scientists,
politicians around the world realize that the high rate of
carbon CO2 emissions are impacting on global warming. If
we can get easy and cheap coal, we seem to be continuing down that path.
You know, if we're going to use coal, we have to look at third-generation power
plants that will pretty well eliminate CO2 and sulphur
emissions; in fact, we may need to be looking at a gasification process if we
are going to use coal.
We still seem to be subscribing to quick
fixes, short-term economics, and not looking at next generations and how we can
be doing sustainable economic projects and activities in our communities. I
think this is one that could very well come back to haunt this government if
something does go wrong. With that, Mr. Speaker, I will take my place.
MR. SPEAKER: I would like to thank all the honourable members for taking part in tonight's late
debate.
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